Posts tagged catelyn stark
Posts tagged catelyn stark
I love how this Cersei/Joffrey exchange mirrors the Cat/Robb one perfectly. Both mothers have labored and sacrificed to get their sons to where they presently are. And both boys have rewarded them by reminding them that even as the king’s mother, her hopes and opinions and desires are worth as much as any other woman’s—nothing at all.
There are more than a few times that Robb deserved to have the sense smacked into him, and Catelyn was usually on hand to deliver them. But she knew better than to chastise her king among his subjects. But Cersei, bless her ruthless, unforgiving lioness heart, has no patience for any such shit. And we see here what comes of it. She’s the eldest child of the most powerful lord in the realm. She’s cunning and unflinching and braver than any man in her life. She’s Queen Regent of the land. And she’s put in her place by a wretched boy, reminded that her tenuous grasp on power is wholly dependent on him.
Jesus Christ, Cersei, listening to you is like listening to fucking Catelyn. Motherhood motherhood I’m a mother look at my kids I have kids do you have kids? You can’t judge me you don’t have Joffrey for a son! Joffrey is perfection! I can’t trust you! You’re not Joffrey! My sweet dearest Joffrey, I’m a mother and therefore can’t see that you were the WORST HUMAN EVER ALIVE!
Okay so here’s the thing with Cat and Jon Snow’s relationship. If we look, for a moment, at Jon Snow’s life up till the point when we enter into it as readers: Jon is brought to Winterfell, told he’s Ned’s son but has no idea of his mother’s identity and brought up in highly unusual circumstances alongside Ned’s trueborn children. Now who’s the person who doesn’t tell Jon about his mother and therefore creates a lot of anxiety within Jon that there are shameful circumstances surrounding his birth? Ned. Who’s the person who denies Jon a sense of belonging by bringing him to a place which he can’t inherit, calling him one of his own but never actually petitioning, say his friend the King, to legitimise his bastard-born son? Ned. Who’s the person who knows full well what being part of the Night’s Watch entails but let’s Jon go off to the godforsaken place, without even the vaguest heads-up? Ned. So explain to me, fandom, Cat is the bad person in this scenario, how?
We get one scene between Cat and Jon, when Cat is in a highly volatile state, that fandom has hysterically based their entire relationship on when it was more likely one of cold civility as opposed to one of routine verbal abuse. I’m not denying that Cat is cruel to Jon at Bran’s bedside and saying that Ned is an out-and-out bad guy, but Ned is Jon’s father and he does far worse by Jon than Cat ever could.
And good lord, I’m sick of having to say this about female characters but I’ll repeat it one last time that they don’t grow in vacuums. Cat has reasons for the way she behaves with Jon before he leaves - the fact that he’s not only a daily reminder of her husband’s infidelity as well as a possible threat to her children’s inheritance but also a reminder that her husband’s word is law in the home that she essentially creates (because that’s her duty) just because he’s a man and that’s how their world works. Combine all that with the looming possibility of her son’s death, it’s completely understandable that Cat lashes out at Jon. I’m tired of hearing that she’s a big old meanie as though her actions are bizarre and unprovoked. This fandom bends over backwards to excuse awful, hideous things male characters do if they have understandable reasons behind their actions (remember that time Tyrion stood by and let his wife get gang-raped by a barrack of guards, but fandom decided it was okay because he was thirteen years old?) so it’s ludicrous that people are still harping on about this one comparatively tiny thing Cat did.
Day Nine-Least Favorite Character
[same post I used for Day Three of the Thirty Hour Challenge]
This one was simple. I cannot stand Catelyn Stark. Here are my reasons:
- First off, her treatment of Jon Snow. In case she needs reminding, it is not Jon’s fault that Ned fathered him out of wedlock. She should be angry at Ned, not Jon. Plus, it’s been sixteen years (in the show, thirteen in the book). You’d think she’d have calmed down by now.
- I understand her reason for leaving Winterfell while Bran is still in a coma. I even understand her reason for abandoning her trip home to take Tyrion to her sister in the Eryie. But her decision to stay with Robb during the war is ridiculous. And maybe it would be okay if…
- Oh, she hadn’t done NOTHING for the war effort. In book two, she takes one trip to talk to Renly, and then does NOTHING. In book three, she does NOTHING. All she does is sit around Riverrun and WALLOW IN SELF-PITY. I understand that she’s been through a lot, but sitting around and moping will not change the past. She is by far the most useless character. Other hatable characters include Cersei, Alliser Thorne, and a host of characters from the later books, but at least they weren’t useless. I think that GRRM really wasted her character.I’m just reblogging so the Cat stans on my dash can handle this because I don’t have the patience.
1. Treating Ned badly could end badly for her. I’m sure they argued about him keeping Jon there but she could not keep up being angry at him. In this world it is in her and her children’s best interest to keep her husband happy.. And she does not treat him that badly, being cold to him is practically being nice in this world where husbands do not bring home their bastard children to their wives. She could be a lot more cruel to him and nobody would blame her but she isn’t. She just doesn’t treat him like she bore him, which she didn’t.
2. I don’t even understand why this is a complaint.
3. She is constantly giving her counsel. That is completely ignored because she is a woman. And when she is given something to do she does it to the best of her ability. Catelyn is a woman trying to do what she can while staying in the role society has given her. Which might not seem ideal to you but she sees no other way. And if Robb had actually listened to her instead of following his father’s ridiculous sense of honor the Red Wedding would not have happened.
Another reason Catelyn Stark is awesome:
“Ohhhh it’s okay you did that. You were grieving, so you must have just been a little mad.”
Cat: “Nope, I knew exactly what I was doing. Deal with it.”
why I stan them: catelyn tully stark
I don’t know if Catelyn-haters will unfollow me for this little rant, but I think a lot of this needs to be said. Warning: contains spoilers.
Perhaps you’re thinking that I’m writing an essay about why I am basically a Catelyn stan considering that my url is jonfuckingsnow, but in all honesty it is entirely possible to love both of them. I love Jon. He is my bb. But I love Cat too- and I think the reasons people hate her are mostly… kind of stupid.
Virtually everything Catelyn does in the entire series prior to the Red Wedding is out of love. She is motivated by her love for her children and her love for Ned. First and foremost, she is a mother. Let’s be real: most of the ASoIaF fans on tumblr are not mothers. Truthfully, I don’t think most fans of the series know what it means to be a mother. I’m not saying I understand it, but from everything I’ve ever read, heard, or seen, the love that a mother bears for her children is one of, if not the most powerful kind of love that exists. It is so fierce, so in the very nature of life itself, that even animals experience it just as we do. Cat is motivated by nothing but the desire to protect her children. She doesn’t have Cersei’s ambition or Ned’s strict sense of honor; she doesn’t even have Jon’s desire for a place in the world or Dany’s righteousness. She is selfless in that she doesn’t care what happens to her, as long as her kids are safe. She is flawed in that she also does not care much what happens to many other people, as long as her kids are safe. But that’s motherhood.
Let’s look at the things Cat does from AGoT to ASoS that earn her criticism. 1.) She’s rude to Jon. I won’t say cruel- she isn’t cruel exactly; she just coldly ignores him and tries to edge him out of Winterfell. I honestly believe that this stemmed primarily from two very understandable things. First, she resented Ned deeply for fathering a bastard and bringing him into their home. However, she loved Ned so much that she chose to divert this resentment onto the result of his infidelity (ifJonisevenNed’s) rather than acknowledging exactly how much it hurt her and thereby cause a rift between them. Secondly, she was aware of how much Ned loved Jon. Jon resembled Ned more, and he was like Ned in general; I think that she could have feared for Robb’s inheritance. In ASoS, Jon notes that she got particularly stony-faced whenever he bested Robb at “sums or swords or much anything else”, indicating that she was constantly worried that Ned would love Jon more than his true-born son, Robb.
2.) “She starts the war by seizing Tyrion.” First of all, let me say that I think the war began brewing before Cat did that; I would argue it began when Lysa told her the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn or when Jaime pushed Bran out the window. Everything after that was just a reaction to those events. Let me remind you that it was never Cat’s plan to just up and seize him right there in that inn. He happened to walk in, and she made a spur-of-the-moment decision not to pass up the chance at justice for Bran. Think about what your mother would do, if she had the chance to bring the man she believed tried to kill you to justice. Don’t you think she would do it, regardless of the consequences?
3.) “She follows Robb around and is all annoying.” Um, she’s his mom. She wants to make sure her son is safe. ‘Nuff said.
4.) “After she became Lady Stoneheart she killed so many people unfairly!!!1” Tbh, I don’t even think reasons to hate Lady Stoneheart should count as reasons to hate Cat. Lady Stoneheart has lost everything. Even her life, for gods’ sake. The outlaws say “she remembers”, but I don’t think she remembers who she was- not truly. When she saw Robb die she went insane. All she knows as Lady Stoneheart is pain, and the desire to inflict that pain back on the people who caused her it because she has no way of handling it. She is a dead woman, and she wants vengeance.
So, now that I’ve finished defending the woman’s honor, I can sum up why I stan her pretty simply: She is strong. We expect too much of our heroines, and therefore we judge Cat for moments of weakness, or for her mistakes. But consider all she has been through. At the time she sees Robb die, she believes that she has lost all of her children. Sansa is a prisoner of the Lannisters, Arya is missing, Bran and Rickon are dead to the public, and her firstborn child was just stabbed with a longsword through the heart after being told “Jaime Lannister sends his regards”- and she freed that man. She believes that in some part it is her fault. Oh, and she lost Ned, “the rock her life was built on”, ages ago. By the Red Wedding, I don’t know how she’s even still standing.
Catelyn Tully Stark is, in my opinion, one of the morally upstanding characters in the series. Mistakes though she may make, everything she does is motivated by unadulterated love and devotion, and I respect that hugely. She might not be the most exciting character, or the most complex. But she is one of my favorite literary moms ever. The end.
Catelyn Stark (via thesavagesalad)
She purdy :)
Filed under: Things I will ask Kiddo’s girlfriends if he is straight.
“Last time I checked, Sansa, Cersei, and Catelyn were NOT the only female characters. People need to stop labeling this fan base as sexist just because these three aren’t well liked.”
Yeah, the ones who fight in a masculine way are well-liked. People dislike these characters because they fight in a feminine way and are thus labeled whores and bitches.